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Sun dials don't work on the globe model. Axial tilt would cause the solar noon shadow to point in drastically different directions through the 4 seasons. (media.scored.co) Discussion
posted 2 years ago by YuuugeAsshoe 2 years ago by YuuugeAsshoe +9 / -7
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– Turdsoup 10 points 2 years ago +12 / -2

Sun dials need to be adjusted throughout the year to account for axial tilt. If you do not, you will get inaccurate times (as seen in your meme). Get you own sun dial and you will see for yourself.

“Solar time and clock time line up at noon on April 15, June 15, September 1 and December 24, which is why those days are recommended for setting a sundial. If you want your sundial to be as accurate as possible, reset your dial on each of those dates.”

This is something you can test yourself with a post. Mark the shadow of the post at noon once a week for a year. You WILL see the same shadow patterns that your meme is showing, 100%.

Sun dials DO in fact “point In drastically different directions through the 4 seasons.”

Congratulations, this is probably the best argument AGAINST the flat earth model I ever saw. Why would sun dials “point In drastically different directions through the 4 seasons” on a flat earth?

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https://www.myfrugalhome.com/set-your-sundial/#:~:text=Solar%20time%20and%20clock%20time,on%20each%20of%20those%20dates.

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– YuuugeAsshoe [S] 0 points 2 years ago +5 / -5

Analemma's disprove your claim. You can capture an annalema by taking a picture of the sun at one location, every 24 hours, for a whole year. The sun will produce a figure 8 pattern. This will cause the shadow on a sun dial to vary a miniscule amount through the seasons. This is not enough to throw off a sun dial for practical purposes. Ideally you would align the dial to somewhere in the middle of the annalemma.

In the globe demonstration above it looks like spring and fall would have the shadow cast at about a 45+ degree angle difference. Sun dials don't have to be adjusted once you set them up. Some ancient sundials haven't moved in thousands of years.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analemma

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– CrazyRussian 2 points 2 years ago +3 / -1

Do you understant that this 8 is not vertical, but tilted in the sky when you are not on equator? Timelapse pictures in your pedowikia article show that clearly. At point where stick is glued on your meme picture it will be tilted at approx 45°. So with ~23° of Earth rotational axis inclination you will get 8 with the height of ~46° tilted by 45°. So maximum sweep angle for solar noon to clock noon will be 46° / sqrt(2) = ~33°.

If you take parallel light source instead of lamp, and set globe axis tilt to correct 23° (instead of 30° you have on picture) you will get exactly this 33° instead of your "about a 45°" (really ~43° on your picture, which is close to what you will really have on some planet with 30° axis inclination).

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– YuuugeAsshoe [S] -1 points 2 years ago +3 / -4

I have a public sundial that I look at down the street. All year long the thing is accurate to within 15 minutes or less. No one ever adjusts it because it's set in concrete. I would have to measure how many degrees off it is at maximum, but I would guess 1 or 2 degrees (angle of the shadow). I want to test out that globe simulation so I could get a rough estimate of how far off the shadow is between spring and fall, but if those pics are at all accurate, 45+ degrees off would equate to HOURS of error. It's not even close.

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– CrazyRussian 3 points 2 years ago +4 / -1

OMG. Did you have geometry classes in your school?

You will have ±15 min precision during a year if you put a stick parallel to Earth axis, and not like on your picture. You could take a globe, glue stick parallel to rotation axis and suddenly find out that now stick shadow do not change its angle when you simulate orbiting the sun.

If you repeat on the Earth what is shown in your meme, you will get ±1 hour precision from vertical stick at same latitude. On the planet with 30° inclination as in the meme, instead of Earth's 23°, you will get ±1.5 hour precision, if that planet will have same rotation speed as Earth.

Well, this is yet another funny example when FE apologist did not even bother to find out how things works before making some statements about that thing. This is even more hillarious than that thread when they thought that gyroscope in mechanical aviahorizons is a source of plane orientation data, when in reality gyroscope in aviahorizons is used as a ~10 minute dumper for a plummet. :)

Is it a kind of infectious disease among your kind? Why you don't want to learn how things work? Or your goal is just shit on every forum where something out-of-narrative discussed? Do you know what people did with well poisoners at the time?

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