I keep noticing such an odd phenomenon, a "black hole" even for the tiny few that are aware of it.
Starting at 7:23, both the guest and the host on the "original podcast" mention "helel ben shahar". Neither one of them makes any comment about it whatsoever. The host of the "rebuttal podcast" stops to comment immediately thereafter but makes no reference to it himself.
Personally, I found that phrase to be key in my research, and there I found it laying in plain sight in the Bible. How could it's importance be missed all these centuries? Had I made a grave error in my understanding of it?
The more I see people that talk like they're so certain of their research walk right past it, the less surprised I am it has gone (publicly) disregarded.
Yes, you're got the genealogy right. But that brings up the issue that everyone so bizarrely steers around seemingly without thought: why does Satan even have a genealogy?
I'll have to listen to the show you linked, but I notice in the writeup they do precisely the same thing. They're talking about "lucifer" and "venus". Do you see how that's exactly the opposite direction from the one I point towards?
That is, some time long ago, some guy sat down and wrote the words "helel ben shahar". Just as we all do when we sit down to write, he had something in mind which he wished to communicate. What we're after is what he had in mind.
That's the direction we go towards, not towards what the Greeks or Romans or King James or anyone else had to say about it thousands of years later. Put that way, it seems quite ridiculous to even discuss them. The importance of what they said is only to help us unwind how we got to where we are now.
That Satan has a genealogy should catch our attention the way a discussion of the suspension system of Cinderella's carriage would. You'd say to yourself, "Hang on, is this really just a fairy tale, or was something real being described? If so, what can we learn about that real thing"
Oh hey, forgot to address the topic of "Satan's purpose".
As I mentioned before, I had concluded that there was some sort of a deal in place between Yahweh and Satan. I put that together from the tiniest of clues, and was trying to deduce the shape of it.
I stumbled across a much more explicit description of the deal. One of Satan's many names was Iblis, which is how he is known to the Muslims. I haven't researched the details, but in this article we find a summary:
Because of his arrogance, Allah banished Iblis from heaven and condemned him to hell. Iblis accepted his fate, but asked that he might be spared until Judgement Day so that he could tempt humans from the path of righteousness and lead them to the same fate that would eventually befall him. Allah granted this, but did not give Iblis power over humans. Instead, if they were to be led from the righteous path, it would have to be because of their own temptations and transgressions.
I found it quite startling. Do you see how we find parts and pieces of the story, corrupted and out of context though they may be? For example, he wasn't "banished to hell", but marooned on Earth with all of us jokers. It's difficult work to put it all back together, but I believe it's possible.
I do sometimes wish for a visitation from an "angel", who'll say, "Okay, let me just break this down for you...."
I keep noticing such an odd phenomenon, a "black hole" even for the tiny few that are aware of it.
Starting at 7:23, both the guest and the host on the "original podcast" mention "helel ben shahar". Neither one of them makes any comment about it whatsoever. The host of the "rebuttal podcast" stops to comment immediately thereafter but makes no reference to it himself.
Personally, I found that phrase to be key in my research, and there I found it laying in plain sight in the Bible. How could it's importance be missed all these centuries? Had I made a grave error in my understanding of it?
The more I see people that talk like they're so certain of their research walk right past it, the less surprised I am it has gone (publicly) disregarded.
Yes, you're got the genealogy right. But that brings up the issue that everyone so bizarrely steers around seemingly without thought: why does Satan even have a genealogy?
I'll have to listen to the show you linked, but I notice in the writeup they do precisely the same thing. They're talking about "lucifer" and "venus". Do you see how that's exactly the opposite direction from the one I point towards?
That is, some time long ago, some guy sat down and wrote the words "helel ben shahar". Just as we all do when we sit down to write, he had something in mind which he wished to communicate. What we're after is what he had in mind.
That's the direction we go towards, not towards what the Greeks or Romans or King James or anyone else had to say about it thousands of years later. Put that way, it seems quite ridiculous to even discuss them. The importance of what they said is only to help us unwind how we got to where we are now.
That Satan has a genealogy should catch our attention the way a discussion of the suspension system of Cinderella's carriage would. You'd say to yourself, "Hang on, is this really just a fairy tale, or was something real being described? If so, what can we learn about that real thing"
Oh hey, forgot to address the topic of "Satan's purpose".
As I mentioned before, I had concluded that there was some sort of a deal in place between Yahweh and Satan. I put that together from the tiniest of clues, and was trying to deduce the shape of it.
I stumbled across a much more explicit description of the deal. One of Satan's many names was Iblis, which is how he is known to the Muslims. I haven't researched the details, but in this article we find a summary:
I found it quite startling. Do you see how we find parts and pieces of the story, corrupted and out of context though they may be? For example, he wasn't "banished to hell", but marooned on Earth with all of us jokers. It's difficult work to put it all back together, but I believe it's possible.
I do sometimes wish for a visitation from an "angel", who'll say, "Okay, let me just break this down for you...."