You made no distinction. You said murder. But, war is war. There is no innocence in war, and not to those fighting it, because there is only warfare. Where the innocent can be caught up in it. They weren't aware, they weren't prepared, they need refuge. Cry me a river. Of course they are. They're also fighting or supporting it.

War is not murder, it is war. Self defense, offense, justice, gain, loss, victory, surrender.

You are under the assumption war is something else. You are trying to create an ideology for war. There is none. There is only victory, surrender, truce, or peace. Meanwhile in your hypocrisy you just supported war. As I strangely knew you would. You just said self defense. What is that, disagreeing with your enemy? Hahaha.

Yes, the innocent pay for their nations acting on it. But they're not innocent if they support the guilty. It doesn't mean kill them, I am sure it does, terms and conditions applied.

Am I condoning murder, no. I don't believe when there's peace people should be murdered unless they're guilty of murder, or such. But I am supporting war. It is a decider. A leveller. A judgment. A reaper. A service. A duty. Etc etc etc. Until any peace can come to agreeable terms and truce.

You seem to be under this other assumption you can decide what murder is? You're calling war, an attacker, a murderer. But innocently you're just the defender. Planet stupid. Hey guys I am gonna buy all these weapons to defend myself, but god forbid I get attacked with them. No, what? You just sat there while somebody else bought all those weapons to defend your home, and god forbid they get attacked because it's so unfair?