We can have a debate without resorting to calling each other shills.

Yes. So stop saying things that only shills say.

Well then what are you doing

Congrats, you fucking failed yet again.

I just think you're wrong about your fatalistic "west is a lost cause" mentality.

No one said this.

we are all waiting for the same reason

Completely wrong. If the reasons were the same, we wouldn’t be waiting anymore.

there is no plan or clear set of objectives that leads us to where we need to be

Of course there is. What are you, joking?

The Marines don't just roll into enemy territory and start blasting everyone who has an enemy uniform on.

Nope, they just blast everyone these days.

They maintain and defend positions, assert authority, fight insurgency, create a forward operating base, if necessary, and repeat.

And get their shit kicked in, because they’re trained to purposely lose.