Thanks for responding earnestly! I hope i can clear some things up, as i now understand better where you’re coming from.
Like communists "encourage child sex research and discussion"
Yes, ahem, “communists” do do that :(
But flat earth research isn’t degeneracy nor encouraging of it. Right?
You can argue/justifiably feel that it is merely a waste of time - sure. But it doesn’t encourage f*cking kids, turning boys to girls or vice versa (as if either were actually possible in reality and not just dissociative disorder and mutilation...), or miscegeny.
you're just pushing your ideas on people that think you're a disgusting weirdo.
I am sharing my views in the hopes of refinement, and i don’t see anything “disgusting” about the subject matter. I know you find it rationally offensive, as you are intended/taught to - but what exactly about it do you find “disgusting”? Is it just because considering ideas so ostensibly stupid is “verboten”?
And you're doing it under the guise of "tolerance".
Not at all! Fuck tolerance with a hot iron pike. I am pro empathy, love, mercy, and pity - however. Do you have an example which you could point to? It might help me to understand why you think that.
The whole "I thought this place was for cOnSpIrAcIeS" self victimization I'd inexorably communist.
I also don’t do this! Are you sure you aren’t confusing me with someone else? Again, providing an example where you have observed me doing this may help me to understand what you mean.
In my view, flat earth research - and especially determining the shape of the world with certainty as an independent researcher - has nothing to do with “cOnSpIrAcIeS” and talk of such things is generally directly across purposes to it (red herring).
school or and government is the propagandist
This is true, obviously.
so we have to be MORE propagandist than them because they're the REAL propagandists
I absolutely disagree with this. If we adopt the ways of our enemy, we become our enemy. We need to be very careful not to do that; it’s an easy trap to fall into. I don’t just avoid propaganda or propagandizing - i avoid argument writ large, as i consider it a form of manipulation. I encourage independent study, and though i share my views - it is not for the purposes of prosthelytization/conversion/convincing. As you saw in this thread - I shared my view, but did not provide much if any support for it.
We're saving people with our propaganda " is a linchpin of communism.
Vain liars always say/think such things to absolve themselves of their egregious crimes. If we are not diligently honest with ourselves, we have no chance at being honest with others. The ends never justify the means, and from unclean means comes an unclean result. I agree that governments/politicians (including communist/s) are always guilty of this, and ought to be ashamed and punished for doing so.
Objective facts don't mean anything to your "lived experience "
My perspective is the complete opposite. Science is about the objective study of manifest external reality and the suppression of such bias (as “lived experience”).
The objective facts support that the world is not, and cannot, be the shape we are taught. But it takes a lot of study to recognize and appreciate why. From my perspective, as I favor a scientific approach, flat earth research has everything to do with objective fact (which is best derived, perhaps only derived, through rigorous application of the scientific method).
That said, “facts” wether referred to as objective or not are most often merely what your “authority” tells you they are. I, like most scientists worth their salt (though i am not among them), favor demonstrable, experimentally validatable, and validated facts.
2 + 2 = 5 because black people are victim and you have feelings about it
Lol, this is very much not my position - nor one i support. Objective reality doesn’t care about how you “feel” about things, and is what it is regardless. This very much includes feelings on the shape of the entire world!
you're a communist. Through and through
Hopefully you are starting to realize that you are mistaken, and/or have mistaken me for someone else. I am a heretic, a cynic, an iconoclast, and a skeptic - but i am no communist.
But flat earth research isn’t degeneracy nor encouraging of it.
There is no "research". You twist words like a communist. You say empirical evidence doesn't matter.
But it doesn’t encourage f*cking kids
Yes it does. It proposes that everything is relative to your personal perspective, just like "minor attracted people" think they're one of a hundred genders.
manifest external reality
Exactly what I said
The objective facts support that the world is not, and cannot, be the shape we are taught.
If you've ever used a map before you would know this is complete bullshit
heretic
Commie
skeptic
Saying objective reality depends on your feelings isn't being "skeptical" it's what a child with downsyndrome does
Says the person that flatly refuses to research the subject. Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance. You could recognize that there IS research, AND engage in it if you only chose to. Or you can continue to remain ignorant. So it is with most every topic/subject - right?
You say empirical evidence doesn't matter.
When did I say that? Can you provide/cite an example of that?
I say the absolute opposite. Empirical (i.e. scientific) evidence is what matters most!
Yes it does
Now you’re just being silly. If you actually think encouraging independent research is the same as encouraging pedophilia/degeneracy - you are one sick puppy. Independent research skills are critical to being a capable student, and human being. F*cking kids, on the other hand - makes you a monster/demon.
It proposes that everything is relative to your personal perspective, just like "minor attracted people" think they're one of a hundred genders.
As I’ve said already, we are in agreement. This “objective reality is what I feel like it is” is a degenerate scam and an attack on science (as well as the children :()
I don’t say anything like this, which is why you can’t find any example of me doing so. I say the opposite!
Exactly what I said
Right, and I said as well! I hope you now recognize that we are agreeing with one another, and you are mistaken about my perspective (and/or have mistaken me for someone else)!
If you've ever used a map before you would know this is complete bullshit
You are being silly again. Maps are tools for use, nothing more. They don’t contain, nor do they need to, the shape of the entirety of the world. Even topographical maps, which do contain SOME of that detail do not contain its entirety and measure elevations in regards to sea level (not the shape of the world)! This is a common, and popularized, misconception! There is a LOT to research about this subject, but you won’t ever recognize that if you choose not to engage in the research yourself (and stop playing witting/unwitting apologist)!
Commie
I am against commies. You have no examples to support your claim, which is why you fail to provide any.
Saying objective reality depends on your feelings isn't being "skeptical"
Again, we are in agreement! I don’t do anything of the sort, and never have or would!
Thanks for responding earnestly! I hope i can clear some things up, as i now understand better where you’re coming from.
Yes, ahem, “communists” do do that :(
But flat earth research isn’t degeneracy nor encouraging of it. Right?
You can argue/justifiably feel that it is merely a waste of time - sure. But it doesn’t encourage f*cking kids, turning boys to girls or vice versa (as if either were actually possible in reality and not just dissociative disorder and mutilation...), or miscegeny.
I am sharing my views in the hopes of refinement, and i don’t see anything “disgusting” about the subject matter. I know you find it rationally offensive, as you are intended/taught to - but what exactly about it do you find “disgusting”? Is it just because considering ideas so ostensibly stupid is “verboten”?
Not at all! Fuck tolerance with a hot iron pike. I am pro empathy, love, mercy, and pity - however. Do you have an example which you could point to? It might help me to understand why you think that.
I also don’t do this! Are you sure you aren’t confusing me with someone else? Again, providing an example where you have observed me doing this may help me to understand what you mean.
In my view, flat earth research - and especially determining the shape of the world with certainty as an independent researcher - has nothing to do with “cOnSpIrAcIeS” and talk of such things is generally directly across purposes to it (red herring).
This is true, obviously.
I absolutely disagree with this. If we adopt the ways of our enemy, we become our enemy. We need to be very careful not to do that; it’s an easy trap to fall into. I don’t just avoid propaganda or propagandizing - i avoid argument writ large, as i consider it a form of manipulation. I encourage independent study, and though i share my views - it is not for the purposes of prosthelytization/conversion/convincing. As you saw in this thread - I shared my view, but did not provide much if any support for it.
Vain liars always say/think such things to absolve themselves of their egregious crimes. If we are not diligently honest with ourselves, we have no chance at being honest with others. The ends never justify the means, and from unclean means comes an unclean result. I agree that governments/politicians (including communist/s) are always guilty of this, and ought to be ashamed and punished for doing so.
My perspective is the complete opposite. Science is about the objective study of manifest external reality and the suppression of such bias (as “lived experience”).
The objective facts support that the world is not, and cannot, be the shape we are taught. But it takes a lot of study to recognize and appreciate why. From my perspective, as I favor a scientific approach, flat earth research has everything to do with objective fact (which is best derived, perhaps only derived, through rigorous application of the scientific method).
That said, “facts” wether referred to as objective or not are most often merely what your “authority” tells you they are. I, like most scientists worth their salt (though i am not among them), favor demonstrable, experimentally validatable, and validated facts.
Lol, this is very much not my position - nor one i support. Objective reality doesn’t care about how you “feel” about things, and is what it is regardless. This very much includes feelings on the shape of the entire world!
Hopefully you are starting to realize that you are mistaken, and/or have mistaken me for someone else. I am a heretic, a cynic, an iconoclast, and a skeptic - but i am no communist.
There is no "research". You twist words like a communist. You say empirical evidence doesn't matter.
Yes it does. It proposes that everything is relative to your personal perspective, just like "minor attracted people" think they're one of a hundred genders.
Exactly what I said
If you've ever used a map before you would know this is complete bullshit
Commie
Saying objective reality depends on your feelings isn't being "skeptical" it's what a child with downsyndrome does
Says the person that flatly refuses to research the subject. Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance. You could recognize that there IS research, AND engage in it if you only chose to. Or you can continue to remain ignorant. So it is with most every topic/subject - right?
When did I say that? Can you provide/cite an example of that?
I say the absolute opposite. Empirical (i.e. scientific) evidence is what matters most!
Now you’re just being silly. If you actually think encouraging independent research is the same as encouraging pedophilia/degeneracy - you are one sick puppy. Independent research skills are critical to being a capable student, and human being. F*cking kids, on the other hand - makes you a monster/demon.
As I’ve said already, we are in agreement. This “objective reality is what I feel like it is” is a degenerate scam and an attack on science (as well as the children :()
I don’t say anything like this, which is why you can’t find any example of me doing so. I say the opposite!
Right, and I said as well! I hope you now recognize that we are agreeing with one another, and you are mistaken about my perspective (and/or have mistaken me for someone else)!
You are being silly again. Maps are tools for use, nothing more. They don’t contain, nor do they need to, the shape of the entirety of the world. Even topographical maps, which do contain SOME of that detail do not contain its entirety and measure elevations in regards to sea level (not the shape of the world)! This is a common, and popularized, misconception! There is a LOT to research about this subject, but you won’t ever recognize that if you choose not to engage in the research yourself (and stop playing witting/unwitting apologist)!
I am against commies. You have no examples to support your claim, which is why you fail to provide any.
Again, we are in agreement! I don’t do anything of the sort, and never have or would!