isn’t the first church, the catholic church and the “7” (all) churches mentioned in revelations, clearly? “COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE” (her is always a reference to a church or a bride), “she” the first church is called the “MOTHER WHORE”. that’s fairly foul language, seems pretty clear. again in John 6:51 so many examples. Isaiah 4:1 references all recognized churches today: "and in that day seven women (churches) shall take hold of one man (say they have a relationship with yeshua), saying, We will eat our own bread (eat their own false doctrine) and wear our own apparel (reject purity): only let us be called by thy name (to fool people), to take away our reproach (they want to hide their shame, hide the fact that the mother church and her daughter churches are truly whores of babylon)." (Isaiah 4:1)
Honestly, I don't see a thing in your exegesis there that you say is there. Saying "clearly" doesn't help when it's not clear.
Anyway, when the Protestants broke off, some theologians went to work on Revelation to shoehorn the church they broke away from as the worst thing possible, to justify it partially.
let’s start here: was peter the first pope? yes or no? many will say, no he didn’t claim authority however catholics say yes. Was the catholic church, who claim they were the first church, the MOTHER of all churches, did they build a church atop the place where peter was crucified, yes or no? Peter, first pope
“Upon this rock (translation from petras, peter) i will build my church, the first church.”
Okay, I'll bite. Was Peter the first pope? Yes. As for authority, well, the early church tossed dice to see who would replace Judas among the Apostles, so things didn't exactly have a rigorous procedure in place. Nevertheless, when the controversy about whether you had to maintain the jewish law or not came up, the issue was decided by him in concert with others in a council. Admittedly, Peter had some issues, and Paul had to rebuke him for not eating with Christian gentiles.
As for where Peter is buried, those bones most likely are his under the basilica, but with the fall of Rome to barbarians, lots of things got screwy and they could be from later centuries placed there to look like they were from the 1st Century. How this bears into any authority placed in Peter or his successors, I don't see the connection really.
I was raised catholic, baptized catholic, went to a catholic school, did most of the sacraments, got my knuckles whacked, I had 4 aunts that were nuns, one was a principal of the largest catholic school in new york. “he who has an ear let him hear”, It probably all sounds like jibberish and that’s fine, I don’t condemn catholic people, but one thing I do know, the roman catholic church is the mother of all churches that is mentioned in revelations.
isn’t the first church, the catholic church and the “7” (all) churches mentioned in revelations, clearly? “COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE” (her is always a reference to a church or a bride), “she” the first church is called the “MOTHER WHORE”. that’s fairly foul language, seems pretty clear. again in John 6:51 so many examples. Isaiah 4:1 references all recognized churches today: "and in that day seven women (churches) shall take hold of one man (say they have a relationship with yeshua), saying, We will eat our own bread (eat their own false doctrine) and wear our own apparel (reject purity): only let us be called by thy name (to fool people), to take away our reproach (they want to hide their shame, hide the fact that the mother church and her daughter churches are truly whores of babylon)." (Isaiah 4:1)
Honestly, I don't see a thing in your exegesis there that you say is there. Saying "clearly" doesn't help when it's not clear.
Anyway, when the Protestants broke off, some theologians went to work on Revelation to shoehorn the church they broke away from as the worst thing possible, to justify it partially.
let’s start here: was peter the first pope? yes or no? many will say, no he didn’t claim authority however catholics say yes. Was the catholic church, who claim they were the first church, the MOTHER of all churches, did they build a church atop the place where peter was crucified, yes or no? Peter, first pope “Upon this rock (translation from petras, peter) i will build my church, the first church.”
Oh, sweet Jesus, really?
Okay, I'll bite. Was Peter the first pope? Yes. As for authority, well, the early church tossed dice to see who would replace Judas among the Apostles, so things didn't exactly have a rigorous procedure in place. Nevertheless, when the controversy about whether you had to maintain the jewish law or not came up, the issue was decided by him in concert with others in a council. Admittedly, Peter had some issues, and Paul had to rebuke him for not eating with Christian gentiles.
As for where Peter is buried, those bones most likely are his under the basilica, but with the fall of Rome to barbarians, lots of things got screwy and they could be from later centuries placed there to look like they were from the 1st Century. How this bears into any authority placed in Peter or his successors, I don't see the connection really.
I was raised catholic, baptized catholic, went to a catholic school, did most of the sacraments, got my knuckles whacked, I had 4 aunts that were nuns, one was a principal of the largest catholic school in new york. “he who has an ear let him hear”, It probably all sounds like jibberish and that’s fine, I don’t condemn catholic people, but one thing I do know, the roman catholic church is the mother of all churches that is mentioned in revelations.