Uhm no. The EU is different to Nato. Nato however isn't fracturing if it's gaining new members. It is selling more arms and partnerships. While the EU pays for it. This is where it gets ironic. See the EU makes trade deals. But Nato cuts out their bullshit. Although American and British brands might not be in European shops. All that security and infrastructure and military are happily moving back and forth increasingly committed to any Nato partnerships, selling its other brands.
Ukraine who cares, it's done the above in any event. When Europe was less keen on trade deals, and more committed to who knows what their activists wanted. They get something else.
Military still needs gas and oil. You dumb EVs. If it's not Russian, where are they buying from.
As well as possibly a few others. Who knows. It's just bartering. What do they get. Never the EU potties. Because Swedish SJWS aren't their crown. Although, Turkey has other concerns.
Regardless Ukraine was simply a catalyst. The way things are shaping it's Wildfire. Inflation soaring, drums beating. Who knows how the deck plays and where the chips fall. If it settles, or provokes. What policy comes out of it. Although any citizens are paying more for it. They are often pawns simply aligning.
But this other article is conjecture. Laughably, inate, contrary opposing propaganda flinging mud and hoping it sticks.
It isn't like that and not to those who hold the deck of playing cards.
Go on, and convince otherwise. The EU won't buckle apart. It just entrenched Nato, if it does, it goes to conflict, or simply realigns. Besides they're greasing Opec, and releasing Venezuela. And it'll probably backfire. Who fully knows what becomes of this, except it won't get better. Not today.
Agreed about Turkey's other concerns. Historically, Russia and Turkey were adversaries over the Black Sea. I don't think that's the case anymore, and they are more like minded culturally anyway, at least now. Turkey, despite being part of Nato, didn't let the US do a whole host of things, like stage troops, when it came to Afghanistan.
Adversaries. Turkey holds the Bosphorus straight. Russia most of the Black Sea. Historically. Opening the straight means everybody else gets through. No wonder Ukraine wants its coastline. Tell me who are Turkey arming?
There are a host of the grievances Turkey has had, increasing recently. But they're still in Nato. If they aren't, there is much bigger problems. But until then, you're offering a lot more conjecture. Price. Look at that inflation. Tell me what fixes it? Bartering correct?
nato is finished. An obviously corrupted organization built upon lies and fantasy, Ukraine has been used since the formation of nato and the 75 years building into it, didn't count for anything, place is getting wrecked.
Running mostly old hardware that noone can afford to replace, each nation force merged into nato has much more important shit to spend money on than the fantasy that we must protect against the red coast commies.
The ukranian situation is 100% the doing of the west as the evidence shows. So, this is the destruction of nato, they will not survive this encounter.
Can you stop and use your dumb brain. Instead of wishful fantasies. All you're spewing are the emotions of ill informed and the deranged.
NATO isn't finished without war. It is becoming entrenched. More nations want to join it. It means exactly what? It's finished? No. Quite the opposite. It is stronger now than it was prior.
Ukrainian situation has caused increasing problems for Europe. But who cares about Ukraine. I am being harsh. Not really. Russia does even more. It was catalyst that prompted an agenda. An agenda of developing technology, energy, and a host of other concerns like security, supply lines. It further cements Nato back into the field. Look how that worked. Nato is now trading right through the EU binding it. It has its old foe. They're rallying.
The problem becomes when its citizens can't pay. Then what happens? But Nato doesn't go anywhere.
Well, since you want to revert to name calling based on your own irrational fears and illogical fallacies..
Your entire comment reveals your simple mental perspective on the issue.
First of all, nato was formed to combat Russia, cia also, ukraine has been the center of any activity on this front for the past 75 years. You cannot ignore the facts.
usa has spent billions with n.e.d. and us aid over the years infiltrating ukraine creating little brainless enemies just like you.
So, modern warfare, is primarily Rockets and Air defense. Pretty much everything else is for after.
So, let me know when nato has some rockets that can breach the Russian air defense and we can speak.
The frontline of ww3 is most likely active right now and is in Syria. This ukraine scuffle is Russia slapping the shit out of ukraine, while nato countries piss themselves with fear about what will happen when Russia begins sending salvo to the nato military infrastructure across europe, what they gonna do? send jets? :)
Not sure how you think this unfolds, but I suspect you are way off.
I call out comments that are insane. You're obviously emotionally challenged.
First of all who cares. I don't. Ukraine means nothing to me. You obviously care even more. Fetch. I simply challenged the topic. All of sudden you're crying about it. That's insane, right.
No Ukraine hasn't been anything else for 75 years. It changed about 10 odd years ago. Prior, yawn, that's hearsay. 75 years ago the CIA fermented a coup today. Let it brew, for the correct vintage. No, you're doing the CIA's job. That's some manoeuvring, 75 years ago, Ukraine has a coup today. How much money did it cost in the last 75 years? But suddenly a few billion today costs more than it did for last 75 years? Emotionally insane. It's like the aliens ate your brains.
Nato has ICBMs. These can breach Russian defenses. It has far more stealth fighters carrying them. It has more ships, and subs. It has far more combined troops. It has far better coms, satellites, and infrastructure. It is developing hypersonic, but any smart cruise missiles also come in stealthed, or they're fired from stealth drones and stealth planes, and as the former treaty with Russia was withdrawn, they can even equip cruise with nuke tips if needed. America's hypersonic tests are a success. Same with many other experiments like with lasers, and plasma. Watch that tech hit Nato as quickly. Defenses it has anti missile defense, these are supposedly better than their counterparts. Although nothing stops everything. But Nato has a linked Sat network covering all of Europe for early warning detection and counter attacks.
Hence there is this war. Let's all hope it doesn't become a larger conflict.
I made a comment. I expected clever, and not whatever you are.
Uhm no. The EU is different to Nato. Nato however isn't fracturing if it's gaining new members. It is selling more arms and partnerships. While the EU pays for it. This is where it gets ironic. See the EU makes trade deals. But Nato cuts out their bullshit. Although American and British brands might not be in European shops. All that security and infrastructure and military are happily moving back and forth increasingly committed to any Nato partnerships, selling its other brands.
Ukraine who cares, it's done the above in any event. When Europe was less keen on trade deals, and more committed to who knows what their activists wanted. They get something else.
Military still needs gas and oil. You dumb EVs. If it's not Russian, where are they buying from.
Let's see. Turkey may use its veto to prevent those nordic countries from entering Nato.
As well as possibly a few others. Who knows. It's just bartering. What do they get. Never the EU potties. Because Swedish SJWS aren't their crown. Although, Turkey has other concerns.
Regardless Ukraine was simply a catalyst. The way things are shaping it's Wildfire. Inflation soaring, drums beating. Who knows how the deck plays and where the chips fall. If it settles, or provokes. What policy comes out of it. Although any citizens are paying more for it. They are often pawns simply aligning.
But this other article is conjecture. Laughably, inate, contrary opposing propaganda flinging mud and hoping it sticks.
It isn't like that and not to those who hold the deck of playing cards.
Go on, and convince otherwise. The EU won't buckle apart. It just entrenched Nato, if it does, it goes to conflict, or simply realigns. Besides they're greasing Opec, and releasing Venezuela. And it'll probably backfire. Who fully knows what becomes of this, except it won't get better. Not today.
Agreed about Turkey's other concerns. Historically, Russia and Turkey were adversaries over the Black Sea. I don't think that's the case anymore, and they are more like minded culturally anyway, at least now. Turkey, despite being part of Nato, didn't let the US do a whole host of things, like stage troops, when it came to Afghanistan.
Adversaries. Turkey holds the Bosphorus straight. Russia most of the Black Sea. Historically. Opening the straight means everybody else gets through. No wonder Ukraine wants its coastline. Tell me who are Turkey arming?
There are a host of the grievances Turkey has had, increasing recently. But they're still in Nato. If they aren't, there is much bigger problems. But until then, you're offering a lot more conjecture. Price. Look at that inflation. Tell me what fixes it? Bartering correct?
nato is finished. An obviously corrupted organization built upon lies and fantasy, Ukraine has been used since the formation of nato and the 75 years building into it, didn't count for anything, place is getting wrecked.
Running mostly old hardware that noone can afford to replace, each nation force merged into nato has much more important shit to spend money on than the fantasy that we must protect against the red coast commies.
The ukranian situation is 100% the doing of the west as the evidence shows. So, this is the destruction of nato, they will not survive this encounter.
Can you stop and use your dumb brain. Instead of wishful fantasies. All you're spewing are the emotions of ill informed and the deranged.
NATO isn't finished without war. It is becoming entrenched. More nations want to join it. It means exactly what? It's finished? No. Quite the opposite. It is stronger now than it was prior.
Ukrainian situation has caused increasing problems for Europe. But who cares about Ukraine. I am being harsh. Not really. Russia does even more. It was catalyst that prompted an agenda. An agenda of developing technology, energy, and a host of other concerns like security, supply lines. It further cements Nato back into the field. Look how that worked. Nato is now trading right through the EU binding it. It has its old foe. They're rallying.
The problem becomes when its citizens can't pay. Then what happens? But Nato doesn't go anywhere.
Well, since you want to revert to name calling based on your own irrational fears and illogical fallacies..
Your entire comment reveals your simple mental perspective on the issue.
First of all, nato was formed to combat Russia, cia also, ukraine has been the center of any activity on this front for the past 75 years. You cannot ignore the facts.
usa has spent billions with n.e.d. and us aid over the years infiltrating ukraine creating little brainless enemies just like you.
So, modern warfare, is primarily Rockets and Air defense. Pretty much everything else is for after.
So, let me know when nato has some rockets that can breach the Russian air defense and we can speak.
The frontline of ww3 is most likely active right now and is in Syria. This ukraine scuffle is Russia slapping the shit out of ukraine, while nato countries piss themselves with fear about what will happen when Russia begins sending salvo to the nato military infrastructure across europe, what they gonna do? send jets? :)
Not sure how you think this unfolds, but I suspect you are way off.
I call out comments that are insane. You're obviously emotionally challenged.
First of all who cares. I don't. Ukraine means nothing to me. You obviously care even more. Fetch. I simply challenged the topic. All of sudden you're crying about it. That's insane, right.
No Ukraine hasn't been anything else for 75 years. It changed about 10 odd years ago. Prior, yawn, that's hearsay. 75 years ago the CIA fermented a coup today. Let it brew, for the correct vintage. No, you're doing the CIA's job. That's some manoeuvring, 75 years ago, Ukraine has a coup today. How much money did it cost in the last 75 years? But suddenly a few billion today costs more than it did for last 75 years? Emotionally insane. It's like the aliens ate your brains.
Nato has ICBMs. These can breach Russian defenses. It has far more stealth fighters carrying them. It has more ships, and subs. It has far more combined troops. It has far better coms, satellites, and infrastructure. It is developing hypersonic, but any smart cruise missiles also come in stealthed, or they're fired from stealth drones and stealth planes, and as the former treaty with Russia was withdrawn, they can even equip cruise with nuke tips if needed. America's hypersonic tests are a success. Same with many other experiments like with lasers, and plasma. Watch that tech hit Nato as quickly. Defenses it has anti missile defense, these are supposedly better than their counterparts. Although nothing stops everything. But Nato has a linked Sat network covering all of Europe for early warning detection and counter attacks.
Hence there is this war. Let's all hope it doesn't become a larger conflict.
I made a comment. I expected clever, and not whatever you are.