Being able to trade a currency like you suggest is invaluable to good communities. Right now people use cash or favours (IOU’s and the like). Cash and goods are useful in areas without internet(lots of that around me sadly).
The whole angle of “we don’t trust the powers that be so we’ll start our OWN currency! With hookers! And blackjack!” is almost noble, and I understand why you could want that. I find I can’t stand behind a system that has mysterious origins, players who manipulate values similar to the existing bullshit filled market, and currencies that have little applicable use in my neck of the woods. I’m honestly better off trading produce from my garden, wine or a beef than I am trying to trade in digital currency out here.
Cash and goods are useful in areas without internet(lots of that around me sadly).
Strange, but in 3rd-world Rusiia, we have internet nearly everywhere, even in a village shop in the middle of taiga you could pay with bank card using shop's internet-connected terminal. And higly probably upstream will be optics line from nearest city, not even that shitty ADSL. Very few places is without internet, and even there you could use old geostationary satellite two-way terminal to get not very fast, but working good enough for banking internet.
It's not the first time when I hear about the problems with internet in US. What's wrong with US that it have problems with internet connection? Don't you have a lot of small internet providers that will happily pull the dirt cheap optics line to any place where could be a customer?
I find I can’t stand behind a system that has mysterious origins, players who manipulate values similar to the existing bullshit filled market, and currencies that have little applicable use in my neck of the woods.
Right now you are using internet, that has mysterious origins, players who manipulate not only values, but your mind and bells and whistles that have little applicable use in the woods. And seems that all that does not make you uncomfortable, and you easily use that system for your own good.
Technology can't be evil or good. Everything depends on how you use it. Any technology could be used for your own purposes regardless who create it and how it used by others. That's the thing that makes everything much more interesting even in our clown world.
Not in the USA friend I’m in central Canada. There’s only internet here at my house out in the country using my cell phone and a $700 cell booster. On a waiting list to get internet that supposed to be here sometime in the fall. (Looks outside at the winter snow).
Cell service isn’t a guarantee out here. Not enough population to warrant the cost of an expansive network to provide service in areas it might not be used by anyone. Major cities and small towns have service, sure. Small towns all had phone service via telephone lines and banking systems can use that with slower modems(yeah the dial up bank card systems are still in place out here in places.)
I’ve looked into Elon musks star link, but waiting on the competition service in case I can bundle mine and my wife’s cell phones (along with the kids) with the internet to cut down on all the costs. If I can’t, so be it but waiting on the option.
The internet’s origins aren’t mysterious. Historically it’s a toss up between believing the military had it first for systems and remote locations or if the universities had the “real” internet first because non military people could use it. First was connected systems, then message boards, then websites, and so on til here we are. Shady players making bad apps and sites is an issue alright, but like you advise in not tossing money into shit coins, we also advise not tossing your personal info onto shady web services. DTA, Don’t Trust Anyone. My father also worked for 2 different phone companies in his life installing the equipment and repairing it, so I’ve gotten to see the physical hardware the internet in my area was running on, including the fibre. It’s pretty cool up close, gotta admit. But getting dirt cheap fibre optic ran to my house? No providers here will do it cheap. Closest place that will have fibre to tap into and bring my way is 50km ish away if there’s no dark fibre they can use closer to me to run a shorter distance. Even if they could tap into it ran down the nearby main highway that’s still a 12-13km run to me. Not exactly cheap, although I wish I was.
There’s only internet here at my house out in the country using my cell phone and a $700 cell booster.
Holy shit.
What is the cause for that situation? I mean overall. I have friends in US who still use expensive and shitty as fuck ADSL over copper wires, and there are no any other providers. That is impossible in Russia. There will be few providers with fiber and lowest possible prices to choose from in that situation.
Closest place that will have fibre to tap into and bring my way is 50km ish away if there’s no dark fibre they can use closer to me to run a shorter distance. Even if they could tap into it ran down the nearby main highway that’s still a 12-13km run to me. Not exactly cheap, although I wish I was.
IDK, but 1km of 2 fiber single-mode self-holding cable cost something near $100 -$150 here. You could just drop it along the road if you are really far from civilisation. Hanging it on electric poles could cost additional $50-$100 per km including some payments to owner of poles, or you could deal on some kind of rent for cheap. Should not be a big deal for Canadian salaries ( average IT junior ~ $4K/month IIRC? ).
May be you have some very restrictive laws on all that providing business and only huge companies could afford to pay all licensing fees, goverment taxes and fullfill state and national security requirements for that kind of business? So big company is not interested in single customer and small companies does not exist?
No real internet options outside of satellite internet out here for now, but the guys in the know have said to sit and wait. The large providers are working on rural solutions for smaller communities but I’m on a farm/ranch 8 miles from the closest town, 10 miles to the other two small ones. Closest major town is 50km/30 miles away.
The one provider out here has oversold their network to the point many customers complain about slow speeds and connections dropping. If Elon musks starlink ends up being good I’d happily use it, but I’m still having to wait and see right now. My cell phone personal hotspot tethering is all I have as an option. ADSL was good to me back in the 2000’s living at home with the parents but doesn’t have the range from the phone offices to reach me out here. My options are pretty limited and it sucks but the benefits of peace and quiet, large gardens, room for all my vehicles, my forge, shooting practice whenever I want, keeping whatever animal I want, and more. I’ve gone from a building my own watercooled computers and ranking in world guilds on WOW to working on vehicles, doing my own chainmail and scale mail, making my own knives and swords, and spending time with my dog. Most here would agree that it’s a positive change but I still have the techie itch and love having my computers performing exactly as I planned, the overclocking rush, and sailing those seven seas with broadband.
Taking a step back from being online all the time has been better, in many ways, but when I can get high speed again I so am lol.
Being able to trade a currency like you suggest is invaluable to good communities. Right now people use cash or favours (IOU’s and the like). Cash and goods are useful in areas without internet(lots of that around me sadly).
The whole angle of “we don’t trust the powers that be so we’ll start our OWN currency! With hookers! And blackjack!” is almost noble, and I understand why you could want that. I find I can’t stand behind a system that has mysterious origins, players who manipulate values similar to the existing bullshit filled market, and currencies that have little applicable use in my neck of the woods. I’m honestly better off trading produce from my garden, wine or a beef than I am trying to trade in digital currency out here.
Strange, but in 3rd-world Rusiia, we have internet nearly everywhere, even in a village shop in the middle of taiga you could pay with bank card using shop's internet-connected terminal. And higly probably upstream will be optics line from nearest city, not even that shitty ADSL. Very few places is without internet, and even there you could use old geostationary satellite two-way terminal to get not very fast, but working good enough for banking internet.
It's not the first time when I hear about the problems with internet in US. What's wrong with US that it have problems with internet connection? Don't you have a lot of small internet providers that will happily pull the dirt cheap optics line to any place where could be a customer?
Right now you are using internet, that has mysterious origins, players who manipulate not only values, but your mind and bells and whistles that have little applicable use in the woods. And seems that all that does not make you uncomfortable, and you easily use that system for your own good.
Technology can't be evil or good. Everything depends on how you use it. Any technology could be used for your own purposes regardless who create it and how it used by others. That's the thing that makes everything much more interesting even in our clown world.
Not in the USA friend I’m in central Canada. There’s only internet here at my house out in the country using my cell phone and a $700 cell booster. On a waiting list to get internet that supposed to be here sometime in the fall. (Looks outside at the winter snow). Cell service isn’t a guarantee out here. Not enough population to warrant the cost of an expansive network to provide service in areas it might not be used by anyone. Major cities and small towns have service, sure. Small towns all had phone service via telephone lines and banking systems can use that with slower modems(yeah the dial up bank card systems are still in place out here in places.)
I’ve looked into Elon musks star link, but waiting on the competition service in case I can bundle mine and my wife’s cell phones (along with the kids) with the internet to cut down on all the costs. If I can’t, so be it but waiting on the option.
The internet’s origins aren’t mysterious. Historically it’s a toss up between believing the military had it first for systems and remote locations or if the universities had the “real” internet first because non military people could use it. First was connected systems, then message boards, then websites, and so on til here we are. Shady players making bad apps and sites is an issue alright, but like you advise in not tossing money into shit coins, we also advise not tossing your personal info onto shady web services. DTA, Don’t Trust Anyone. My father also worked for 2 different phone companies in his life installing the equipment and repairing it, so I’ve gotten to see the physical hardware the internet in my area was running on, including the fibre. It’s pretty cool up close, gotta admit. But getting dirt cheap fibre optic ran to my house? No providers here will do it cheap. Closest place that will have fibre to tap into and bring my way is 50km ish away if there’s no dark fibre they can use closer to me to run a shorter distance. Even if they could tap into it ran down the nearby main highway that’s still a 12-13km run to me. Not exactly cheap, although I wish I was.
Sorry, didn't know that.
Holy shit.
What is the cause for that situation? I mean overall. I have friends in US who still use expensive and shitty as fuck ADSL over copper wires, and there are no any other providers. That is impossible in Russia. There will be few providers with fiber and lowest possible prices to choose from in that situation.
IDK, but 1km of 2 fiber single-mode self-holding cable cost something near $100 -$150 here. You could just drop it along the road if you are really far from civilisation. Hanging it on electric poles could cost additional $50-$100 per km including some payments to owner of poles, or you could deal on some kind of rent for cheap. Should not be a big deal for Canadian salaries ( average IT junior ~ $4K/month IIRC? ).
May be you have some very restrictive laws on all that providing business and only huge companies could afford to pay all licensing fees, goverment taxes and fullfill state and national security requirements for that kind of business? So big company is not interested in single customer and small companies does not exist?
No real internet options outside of satellite internet out here for now, but the guys in the know have said to sit and wait. The large providers are working on rural solutions for smaller communities but I’m on a farm/ranch 8 miles from the closest town, 10 miles to the other two small ones. Closest major town is 50km/30 miles away.
The one provider out here has oversold their network to the point many customers complain about slow speeds and connections dropping. If Elon musks starlink ends up being good I’d happily use it, but I’m still having to wait and see right now. My cell phone personal hotspot tethering is all I have as an option. ADSL was good to me back in the 2000’s living at home with the parents but doesn’t have the range from the phone offices to reach me out here. My options are pretty limited and it sucks but the benefits of peace and quiet, large gardens, room for all my vehicles, my forge, shooting practice whenever I want, keeping whatever animal I want, and more. I’ve gone from a building my own watercooled computers and ranking in world guilds on WOW to working on vehicles, doing my own chainmail and scale mail, making my own knives and swords, and spending time with my dog. Most here would agree that it’s a positive change but I still have the techie itch and love having my computers performing exactly as I planned, the overclocking rush, and sailing those seven seas with broadband.
Taking a step back from being online all the time has been better, in many ways, but when I can get high speed again I so am lol.