You've debunked nothing because you haven't presented anything but opinions and speculation. I'm still the only one that's posted even a fucking delta-V value in this thread...and it supported my argument.
The burden of proof is on the person making the extraordinary claim. Putting men on the moon and getting them back is such an extraordinary claim, no country not even America has come anywhere close to doing so in 50 years, despite technology getting simultaneously more advanced and cheaper. I have presented evidence; the evidence supplied by NASA itself which is insufficient for any unbiased researcher. The evidence you have supplied is even worse than that.
...and random naturally occurring footpaths, and random naturally occurring objects that just happen to look like the body plan of a Apollo LM.
Randomly naturally occuring sites that just happen to look like sketches from the Apollo records.
Oh, my sweet summer child... they sketched the pictures based on the naturally occurring sites. It didn't happen the other way around. WhOa how could they have possibly obtained the resources to pull that one off? lol that's sarcasm in case you couldn't tell.
No, they just got rid of all the smart white people and filled the org with diversity hires and climate fairies.
Now I see you're trying to deflect this into something about race? Is that really rational? Listen, you're clearly getting upset, just like I was, so I think it's best for now that I let you sit and chew on the world-shattering information I provided. I genuinely can empathize though. It took me over half a fucking year to work through this emotionally. I'll be the first to admit I behaved as irrationally as you are right now:
"ME? Wrong about something so big for so long? POPPYCOCK! It is THEY the CoNsPiRaCy ThEoRiStS who are wrong. I can solve differential equations! Can THEY? NO! Therefore I AM RIGHT!!!"
Even if it takes you a year to admit that you don't have a good reason to believe the US government put men on the moon in 1969, that's still better than most people. You never have to explicitly concede defeat to me, but going forward remember that there is no real need for you to maintain the lie to everyone else. Perhaps you could try doing some investigating on your own instead of relying on youtube videos, hm?
Ahh I know I shouldn't keep going. The poetic way you typed out "Why not just fly the hardware for real?" betrays your dwindling composure. I'm not even sure it's safe for you if I keep going. But I think you genuinely believe this shit and one of my absolute favorite things to do is pop redpill cherries. Ahhhh just one more~
we made all this hardware to aerospace specs, made craft capable of doing the mission (that left piles of technical residue we still poke at today, see "Curious Marc" on youtube), faked imagery from different missions decades later...so we could make a movie to beat the Soviets to the Moon.
First of all, yes, the Cold War was mostly fought with propaganda. Making a movie to convince everyone that Capitalism is better than communism was worth all the trouble and money just for that alone. To this day, landing on the moon is used as shorthand for technological achievement. Cellphones and the internet have probably had more of an impact on the world, but everyone the world over still regards putting men on the moon as the GOAT. I still believe in American Exceptionalism, but thinking we were the only people who ever put men on the moon made me believe a lot harder.
Furthermore, the Space Race functioned as cover for developing Inter-Continental Ballistic Missile technology. In the 1960s there were was a rapidly growing antiwar sentiment, so it wasn't politically viable to say "we're gonna spend your tax money on making even more deadly weapons". Lucky for the feds that most of the technology developed during the Space Race doubled as technology for ICBMs in low-earth orbit. Saying "we're gonna spend your tax money on, uh, GOING TO DA MOON!" struck the public as something admirable, as opposed to evil. All the technology developed in the Space Race that actually works still works to this day. Most people literally cannot function without a GPS. Those ICBMs are still hanging above us like a Sword of Damocles. It's only the technology that enables us to put men on the moon and return them that has suspiciously been lost.
Oh man, thank you much! I never expected to find someone so firmly dug in to the narrative here of all places. It's like finding a virgin on tinder. I'll stop now though, don't worry. I might actually put this on my blog though! Thanks for the content too!
The burden of proof is on the person making the extraordinary claim. Putting men on the moon and getting them back is such an extraordinary claim, no country not even America has come anywhere close to doing so in 50 years, despite technology getting simultaneously more advanced and cheaper. I have presented evidence; the evidence supplied by NASA itself which is insufficient for any unbiased researcher. The evidence you have supplied is even worse than that.
Is this evidence that there is a man's face on the surface of Mars? https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/2107/MartianFace_Viking_960.jpg No? But it looks exactly like a face!
Oh, my sweet summer child... they sketched the pictures based on the naturally occurring sites. It didn't happen the other way around. WhOa how could they have possibly obtained the resources to pull that one off? lol that's sarcasm in case you couldn't tell.
Now I see you're trying to deflect this into something about race? Is that really rational? Listen, you're clearly getting upset, just like I was, so I think it's best for now that I let you sit and chew on the world-shattering information I provided. I genuinely can empathize though. It took me over half a fucking year to work through this emotionally. I'll be the first to admit I behaved as irrationally as you are right now:
Even if it takes you a year to admit that you don't have a good reason to believe the US government put men on the moon in 1969, that's still better than most people. You never have to explicitly concede defeat to me, but going forward remember that there is no real need for you to maintain the lie to everyone else. Perhaps you could try doing some investigating on your own instead of relying on youtube videos, hm?
Ahh I know I shouldn't keep going. The poetic way you typed out "Why not just fly the hardware for real?" betrays your dwindling composure. I'm not even sure it's safe for you if I keep going. But I think you genuinely believe this shit and one of my absolute favorite things to do is pop redpill cherries. Ahhhh just one more~
First of all, yes, the Cold War was mostly fought with propaganda. Making a movie to convince everyone that Capitalism is better than communism was worth all the trouble and money just for that alone. To this day, landing on the moon is used as shorthand for technological achievement. Cellphones and the internet have probably had more of an impact on the world, but everyone the world over still regards putting men on the moon as the GOAT. I still believe in American Exceptionalism, but thinking we were the only people who ever put men on the moon made me believe a lot harder.
Furthermore, the Space Race functioned as cover for developing Inter-Continental Ballistic Missile technology. In the 1960s there were was a rapidly growing antiwar sentiment, so it wasn't politically viable to say "we're gonna spend your tax money on making even more deadly weapons". Lucky for the feds that most of the technology developed during the Space Race doubled as technology for ICBMs in low-earth orbit. Saying "we're gonna spend your tax money on, uh, GOING TO DA MOON!" struck the public as something admirable, as opposed to evil. All the technology developed in the Space Race that actually works still works to this day. Most people literally cannot function without a GPS. Those ICBMs are still hanging above us like a Sword of Damocles. It's only the technology that enables us to put men on the moon and return them that has suspiciously been lost.
it's not like there's currently no incentive to return to the moon. Growing up, I was told that the reason we haven't yet returned was because there's nothing there. Yet it's now common knowledge that the moon is packed with valuable Helium-3: https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/studies/191/lunar-helium-3-fusion-resource-distribution/
Oh man, thank you much! I never expected to find someone so firmly dug in to the narrative here of all places. It's like finding a virgin on tinder. I'll stop now though, don't worry. I might actually put this on my blog though! Thanks for the content too!
Deleted my comment because I said I'll stop, and I will be a man of my word.