Not really. My ancestors were among the first farmers on earth (10k years ago). Been almost fully vegetarian for millennia because of the nice climate. We have likely adapted to that (at least our gut bacteria must have, since gut bacteria have much shorter lives and one human life is thousands of bacterial generations). It doesn't make us sick or weak, just as eating grass doesn't make a bull sick or weak.
Europeans have a very different dietary history and may not have the same degree of adaptation to a vegetarian diet. So I can understand if they react badly to vegetarian meals (not talking about vegan, since you need at least dairy to meet some nutritional needs).
Another reason why one civilization shouldn't copy blindly what works for another civilization and medical treatments tested on one civilization may not transfer as expected to another.
See this is why it's a mental illness, because you fully believe that you have adapted and can do without the vital nutrients, vitamins, fats and proteins that are only found in meat.
You are insane.
It doesn't make us sick or weak
It can't make you sick and weak if you were never healthy and strong.
vital nutrients, vitamins, fats and proteins that are only found in meat.
What's found in meat that isn't found in milk or plant food? I'm genuinely curious and not being argumentative. You do realize herbivores get all nutrition just from grass right? That's because of gut bacteria adapted to that diet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindgut_fermentation
If viruses can evolve in a few years, bacteria can evolve in a human lifetime. Over thousands of human generations, people with better suited bacteria would be healthier and stronger and outcompete those without such bacteria. This process works without requiring humans themselves to evolve - although small changes might've happened there too over such a period.
Vitamin A? You can get that from carrots (generally the conversion rate is 12 to 1, but can be boosted significantly by cooking, eating with fats and pepper).
Saturated fats? Well I don't eat veggie oils - but dairy based fats and coconut oil
Vitamin D? I live in a sunny country year round. But yes supplementation seems to be important for this. I guess most vegetarians are okay with Lanolin.
Vitamin K? Best source of K2 is natto. No other food source comes close.
B12? Found in milk.
Choline? You'd have a point here, but lecithin supplementation works decently here.
Protein? Milk is pretty good here (I drink about 1 liter a day), as is whey.
It can't make you sick and weak if you were never healthy and strong.
I only eat what grows in nature in its natural form (except for cooking and fermentation). Absolutely nothing else.
Blood work and not getting more than mildly sick says otherwise. I have constant energy levels throughout the day and never get lazy after a meal - another sign of good health.
I used to eat meat until my early 20s when I was studying in college in another country because I didn't have money to buy my own food and had to eat on the meal plan. I know what I'm talking about. Physically, I have no doubt that meat helps build strength faster, and probably helps get close to the genetic maximum. But I'm not interested reaching peak strength (that would require hours of working out multiples days a week). The improvement in my cognitive functioning is why I switched and why I continue to stick with it (personal experience). I didn't do it for the planet or for ethical reasons etc. Haven't been to the doctor for health related issues (only injuries) ever since I switched and I take no pills or supplements.
I think you're extrapolating your experience/studies from your country/ethnicity to another part of the world that has a very different and long history with a certain diet. If it was so bad, people would have switched out naturally over the millennia. Nobody likes to feel sick.
So you don't have answer? At least I have my personal experience having tried both. Hence, not cope but based on personal experience with both.
I only bothered sharing it to show where I was coming from, so maybe you could point out my errors. But from your response, I guess it was wasted effort. No worries.
Not really. My ancestors were among the first farmers on earth (10k years ago). Been almost fully vegetarian for millennia because of the nice climate. We have likely adapted to that (at least our gut bacteria must have, since gut bacteria have much shorter lives and one human life is thousands of bacterial generations). It doesn't make us sick or weak, just as eating grass doesn't make a bull sick or weak.
Europeans have a very different dietary history and may not have the same degree of adaptation to a vegetarian diet. So I can understand if they react badly to vegetarian meals (not talking about vegan, since you need at least dairy to meet some nutritional needs).
Another reason why one civilization shouldn't copy blindly what works for another civilization and medical treatments tested on one civilization may not transfer as expected to another.
See this is why it's a mental illness, because you fully believe that you have adapted and can do without the vital nutrients, vitamins, fats and proteins that are only found in meat.
You are insane.
It can't make you sick and weak if you were never healthy and strong.
What's found in meat that isn't found in milk or plant food? I'm genuinely curious and not being argumentative. You do realize herbivores get all nutrition just from grass right? That's because of gut bacteria adapted to that diet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindgut_fermentation
If viruses can evolve in a few years, bacteria can evolve in a human lifetime. Over thousands of human generations, people with better suited bacteria would be healthier and stronger and outcompete those without such bacteria. This process works without requiring humans themselves to evolve - although small changes might've happened there too over such a period.
Omega-3? Well you can get that from Curcumin + ALA (hugely boosts conversion to DHA/EPA): https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28410669/
Vitamin A? You can get that from carrots (generally the conversion rate is 12 to 1, but can be boosted significantly by cooking, eating with fats and pepper).
Saturated fats? Well I don't eat veggie oils - but dairy based fats and coconut oil
Vitamin D? I live in a sunny country year round. But yes supplementation seems to be important for this. I guess most vegetarians are okay with Lanolin.
Vitamin K? Best source of K2 is natto. No other food source comes close.
B12? Found in milk.
Choline? You'd have a point here, but lecithin supplementation works decently here.
Protein? Milk is pretty good here (I drink about 1 liter a day), as is whey.
I only eat what grows in nature in its natural form (except for cooking and fermentation). Absolutely nothing else.
Blood work and not getting more than mildly sick says otherwise. I have constant energy levels throughout the day and never get lazy after a meal - another sign of good health.
I used to eat meat until my early 20s when I was studying in college in another country because I didn't have money to buy my own food and had to eat on the meal plan. I know what I'm talking about. Physically, I have no doubt that meat helps build strength faster, and probably helps get close to the genetic maximum. But I'm not interested reaching peak strength (that would require hours of working out multiples days a week). The improvement in my cognitive functioning is why I switched and why I continue to stick with it (personal experience). I didn't do it for the planet or for ethical reasons etc. Haven't been to the doctor for health related issues (only injuries) ever since I switched and I take no pills or supplements.
I think you're extrapolating your experience/studies from your country/ethnicity to another part of the world that has a very different and long history with a certain diet. If it was so bad, people would have switched out naturally over the millennia. Nobody likes to feel sick.
so much cope
So you don't have answer? At least I have my personal experience having tried both. Hence, not cope but based on personal experience with both.
I only bothered sharing it to show where I was coming from, so maybe you could point out my errors. But from your response, I guess it was wasted effort. No worries.