He kicked the "money changers" out of the church. Compare that with any jewish temple. And how are jews "his disciples"? Aren't the followers of christ's called.... Christians?
I'm not sure exactly when the term Christian was first used. Paul does not use the word to my knowledge. From what I've read, the term was probably first ascribed to the earliest Christians. It appears there was some debate in the earliest Church regarding who should join. Paul's position was that the "good news" was for Jews and gentiles alike, and of course his position won out. But of course the majority of Jews did not accept Jesus as Messiah, so it is true that it's complicated.
And yes, Jesus shows righteous anger in Gospel accounts re. the "money changers" (and I believe this is likely based on a real historical event), but this doesn't mean that he hated the people doing it. Rather, he hated what they **did.
And who were they? Did they say the jew god of the bible was an evil false idol?
Rather, he hated what they **did.
And if those people, together, have money changing, fraud, corruption, thievery, child rape, and murder as their group identity then those people SHOULD be hated, right?
What do you mean by "the Jew god was an evil false idol"? The God of the Old Testament? But Paul and most of the early Christians thought of the Old Testament texts as scripture. I guess I'm curious from what position you are coming. Are you a Gnostic? That would seem to fit your "evil false idol" comment. or a Pagan Traditionalist?
There's obviously a huge difference between how Jews and Christians of all stripes view the Old Testament, but I don't think it's controversial to point out that Christianity emerged from Judaism and is in some sense a completion of it.
Regarding those actions you describe, of course people who identify with those things as norms should be dealt with very severely by the law, but many in the Christian tradition would hold that God loves all beings as he created them, even if he hates how they have fallen.
I'm open to any articles or videos you'd like to share that demonstrate that the horrible actions you mention are fundamentally part of the Jewish faith. I just haven't seen it yet. I'm skeptical that Zionism (which I'm not a fan of to say the least) and Judaism are completely identical, but again I'd be open to anything you share.
He kicked the "money changers" out of the church. Compare that with any jewish temple. And how are jews "his disciples"? Aren't the followers of christ's called.... Christians?
I'm not sure exactly when the term Christian was first used. Paul does not use the word to my knowledge. From what I've read, the term was probably first ascribed to the earliest Christians. It appears there was some debate in the earliest Church regarding who should join. Paul's position was that the "good news" was for Jews and gentiles alike, and of course his position won out. But of course the majority of Jews did not accept Jesus as Messiah, so it is true that it's complicated.
And yes, Jesus shows righteous anger in Gospel accounts re. the "money changers" (and I believe this is likely based on a real historical event), but this doesn't mean that he hated the people doing it. Rather, he hated what they **did.
And who were they? Did they say the jew god of the bible was an evil false idol?
And if those people, together, have money changing, fraud, corruption, thievery, child rape, and murder as their group identity then those people SHOULD be hated, right?
What do you mean by "the Jew god was an evil false idol"? The God of the Old Testament? But Paul and most of the early Christians thought of the Old Testament texts as scripture. I guess I'm curious from what position you are coming. Are you a Gnostic? That would seem to fit your "evil false idol" comment. or a Pagan Traditionalist?
There's obviously a huge difference between how Jews and Christians of all stripes view the Old Testament, but I don't think it's controversial to point out that Christianity emerged from Judaism and is in some sense a completion of it.
Regarding those actions you describe, of course people who identify with those things as norms should be dealt with very severely by the law, but many in the Christian tradition would hold that God loves all beings as he created them, even if he hates how they have fallen.
I'm open to any articles or videos you'd like to share that demonstrate that the horrible actions you mention are fundamentally part of the Jewish faith. I just haven't seen it yet. I'm skeptical that Zionism (which I'm not a fan of to say the least) and Judaism are completely identical, but again I'd be open to anything you share.