Having read the main work of Arthur twice and most Nietzsche to detox after...
The way Arthur comes to that conclusion is very logical although biased.
What is true imo is that the negative precedes the positive. Empty space must precede matter, hunger must precedes satisfaction from eating, sexual pleasure requires sexual tension.
The pain is the condition for the pleasure and may go unfulfilled... And while you cannot be certain that after pain comes pleasure, you know after pleasure there will be another pain.
So Arthur in this case blow a bit of air although he's a bias away from Nietzsche conclusion which is better (pain as a teacher and a glorifier of pleasure or along the lines).
Surely, anyway, both thought in terms of a material world with a psychological dimension, never in terms of a spiritual world with a material dimension.
In the first case the one life cannot be put in relationship with a greater path, but must contain all of the path we want to achieve. In the second, we are the end to which this life is just a mean.
I don't remember who posted it but jewish tradition adhere to reincarnations too, being their mystical school deeply spiritual in nature too.
This belief was lost in europe after the corruption of the doctrine of Christ... Gnostics tryied to recover it but didn't make it (hell and heaven as metaphors for dimensions or states of the spiritual self).
Or perhaps Christ really meant to flatten the belief so that people would behave good enough to step a level further in the path without having to spend half a life meditating on the issue, which could also be. I guess a mixture of the two.
Yes, that bit i was uncareful in writing. Thank you for pointing out.
What i meant though is that even while Arthur (yeah i didn't know him personally, but it's handier than "Schopenhauer"!) understood the will as something beyond material, he himself states that that which is beyond the veil of maya, which he considers to be pure will, is made of primordial forces that are unknowable.
So while indeed he points out the fact that matter is only a representation of something else, he proceeds to think of our world as our usual deterministic aspect. He know there is something else, but beyond knowing the representation is a false ( i mean derived, secondary reality) aspect, he can only explain the representation in the end, the materialist aspect, through his principles of reason.
Effectively, it seems the great pain of his philosophy was that he didn't care at all for what he could explain so easily (his thought is actually the foundation of all psychology, Freud being mainly a parroter of his and secondarily of Nietzsche), but that the only thing he could care to know he determined to be unknowable.
Nietzsche on the other hand is bolder and simply skip the whole metaphysical aspect as he sought to have mankind stop wasting this precious life elaborating and postulating and educating about something they could never know for real.
Yes, in the end both recognized something beyond the materialistic, but Arthur couldn't explain it, and Nietzsche didn't care about it.
This thing we call spirit or spiritual level was never a variable of their philosophies, if not as a psychological one... Imo. Could be wrong of course!
But to compliment and complement RightSideFunding's calling out of the Sabbateans, pretty much any Doomer Cult will have someone(s) in it that think "Hey... what if we ....." and it's off to the races on trying to destroy the planet.
The Iranian leadership, for example, seems to believe that a war might cause the Hidden Imam to return (which will then result in the triggering of their version of Ragnarok and is very similar to what is in The Book of Revelations). I would not be surprised to find that some Jooz want to trigger the same. And would equally not be surprised to find that some of these Babylonians who seem to run our planet might want to do the same to get Enki/Enlil/Amon-Ra to return or some other such bullsh!t.
Having Death Cultists run our planet... not the best of ideas.
Ive heard there is a group of people out there that believe that it is their job to destroy and create suffering in an attempt to bring about the perfect.
That us; based on claiming ownership over that which nature offers free for all. Parasitism by choice; endlessly justified by ignorance; causing the few, who exploit the ignorant many, to maintain and exploit their self destructive behavior.
Where you're off is that we believe is our job to destroy; instead we selfishly believe that the destruction we're causing by working and sustaining the beast system (designed to maintain us with suggested temptations) represents (((progress))) towards something good.
instead of just letting life takes its natural course
The problem is the choice of ignorance towards self sustenance, whcih corrupts us to restrict our comprehension of reality with self imposed beliefs; suggested to us by (((others))).
When ONE consents by free will of choice to an offer (suggestion) by the free will of choice of another; then ONE ignores ONEs own free will (the sole authority over self) for the false authority of the free will of another.
ONE cannot function within ALL without the sole authority over self; needed for balance within motion. The natural cause requires ONEs authority over self; ONEs responsibility over self within ALL. We shirk it; others use suggestion to tempt us to keep shirking it, while farming our ignored potential; our power; our energy, hence us building the systems of self destruction by ourselves, while believing to be the good guys.
they intend to make it as bad as possible (for others, of course) in order to "speed things up"
No need for that, since temptation (want), set into motion, exponentially corrupts creation...those who want; want always more. If anything they use slow boiling of comprehension (using fear/hope) to buffer our velocity of self destruction.
Comprehension that ONE is within ALL, not under another ONE. Your existence is governed by the laws of nature, and you "need" to adhere to theses rules to sustain ONEself within ALL.
The laws of men are circumstantial to you; (((others))) "want" you to consent to them, so that you ignore your "needs" for them. Each one of your actions is defined by your free will of choice between need (adherence to self sustenance) and want (ignorance thereof).
Any justification for wants represents another action set into motion in ignorance of needs to sustain self within motion. All other lifeforms instinctively adhere to self sustenance within ALL; despite the self destructive circumstances we create. Why? Because they need to.
Need over want is demanded for ONE by ALL; it's the collective survival instinct; the motivating impulse to uphold life over death. Both the chocie to adhere and ignore are needed for the function of self sustenance, which is why there needs to be an impulse that defines the value of struggling to sustain life within the temptation of motion luring towards death.
Need over want; inspiration over information and implication (if/then) over reason (truth vs false). Comprehending these represents ONEs way out under the false authority of another and into the responsibility for the sole authority over self.
Choice builds comprehension (ONEs potential), which is why ONE cannot get comprehension from "believing" the information offered by another ONE. ONE needs to adapt to the inspiration ALL represents, which then transmutes perceived inspiration, by free will of choice, into ONEs comprehended information.
ALL represents the electric flow of information offered (as inspiration though motion), the magnetic ONEs within, need to channel by choice the electric flow offer (motion) into the magnetic sustenance (momentum) to increase ONEs potential (comprehension) within ALL potentiality.
Suffering is the Norm in Life...but also...Suffering is necessary for long term growth, and expansion
Motion creates momentum; momentum represents the recharge aspect of self sustenance; motion represents the loss aspect of self sustenance.
Motion equals order; momentum equals chaos...chaos out of order (the none inverted version) allowing chaos to mimic order; magnetic to sustain self through channeling electric (ALL potentiality) into magnetic (ONE potential).
A is Creation; U is Sustenance; M is Destruction.
Motion equals creation and destruction; which represents sustenance of ALL.
Choice within momentum of motion represents sustenance of ONE within ALL.
cannot improve Perfect, or is a thing that can always improve perfect?
Perfect represents the status quo of ALL potentiality; imperfect the choice based potential of each ONE. ONEs chocie of adherence to self sustenance represents improvement through comprehension; ONEs choice of ignorance thereof represents impair of improvement through self restriction of comprehension (beliefs aka the needed fiction for the ignored reality).
AM'NESTY, noun (Gr. of a neg and memory, from the root of mens, mind.)
Within motion; the memory needs to be used like a ram (adaption to inspiration within motion); not like an external hard disk (accumulation of information).
Motion represents loss. Immortality represents electric flow-state within ALL; mortality represents magnetic sustenance of ONE; within the electric flow-state of ALL. Secrets means separate, which represents motion self segregating ALL potentiality into individual ONE potential, with ONE lacking comprehension of what ALL means.
The term "secret" was corrupted into meaning "hidden; concealed" with the intent to tempt us to want to look for it, when within the reality of motion; adherence to self sustenance is what transmutes it within ONEs mind (electric inspiration transmuted by choice into magnetic comprehension).
Each represents ONE potential within ALL potentiality, and ALL is ONE in energy.
everything works out and we will be fine no matter what
Motion equals order (electric flow); momentum caused within motion represents temporary chaos (magnetic sustenance). Momentum within motion represents balance.
No matter what chaotic choices we make while balancing; the flow of motion will always reestablish balance, because the outside (electric) defines the barriers for the inside (magnetic).
the reward will be...
What represents the highest value in ALL existence? ONEs temporary choice to evaluate ALL? There's no higher value than evaluation...existence as ONE within ALL is the reward, and the obligation/responsibility to sustain it, which would make it even better.
unimaginable
IMAG'INE, verb transitive [Latin imaginor, from imago, image.] - "to form an idea in the mind"
IDE'A, noun [Latin idea; Gr. to see, Latin video.] - "that which is comprehended"
The source of what ONE comprehends is ALL perceived, so the imaginable represents ALL potentiality ONEs potential hasn't comprehended yet. Unimaginable simply represents ONEs choice of ignorance towards ALL.
Having read the main work of Arthur twice and most Nietzsche to detox after...
The way Arthur comes to that conclusion is very logical although biased.
What is true imo is that the negative precedes the positive. Empty space must precede matter, hunger must precedes satisfaction from eating, sexual pleasure requires sexual tension.
The pain is the condition for the pleasure and may go unfulfilled... And while you cannot be certain that after pain comes pleasure, you know after pleasure there will be another pain.
So Arthur in this case blow a bit of air although he's a bias away from Nietzsche conclusion which is better (pain as a teacher and a glorifier of pleasure or along the lines).
Surely, anyway, both thought in terms of a material world with a psychological dimension, never in terms of a spiritual world with a material dimension.
In the first case the one life cannot be put in relationship with a greater path, but must contain all of the path we want to achieve. In the second, we are the end to which this life is just a mean.
I don't remember who posted it but jewish tradition adhere to reincarnations too, being their mystical school deeply spiritual in nature too.
This belief was lost in europe after the corruption of the doctrine of Christ... Gnostics tryied to recover it but didn't make it (hell and heaven as metaphors for dimensions or states of the spiritual self).
Or perhaps Christ really meant to flatten the belief so that people would behave good enough to step a level further in the path without having to spend half a life meditating on the issue, which could also be. I guess a mixture of the two.
Yes, that bit i was uncareful in writing. Thank you for pointing out.
What i meant though is that even while Arthur (yeah i didn't know him personally, but it's handier than "Schopenhauer"!) understood the will as something beyond material, he himself states that that which is beyond the veil of maya, which he considers to be pure will, is made of primordial forces that are unknowable.
So while indeed he points out the fact that matter is only a representation of something else, he proceeds to think of our world as our usual deterministic aspect. He know there is something else, but beyond knowing the representation is a false ( i mean derived, secondary reality) aspect, he can only explain the representation in the end, the materialist aspect, through his principles of reason.
Effectively, it seems the great pain of his philosophy was that he didn't care at all for what he could explain so easily (his thought is actually the foundation of all psychology, Freud being mainly a parroter of his and secondarily of Nietzsche), but that the only thing he could care to know he determined to be unknowable.
Nietzsche on the other hand is bolder and simply skip the whole metaphysical aspect as he sought to have mankind stop wasting this precious life elaborating and postulating and educating about something they could never know for real.
Yes, in the end both recognized something beyond the materialistic, but Arthur couldn't explain it, and Nietzsche didn't care about it.
This thing we call spirit or spiritual level was never a variable of their philosophies, if not as a psychological one... Imo. Could be wrong of course!
Yes they are called Democrats.
But to compliment and complement RightSideFunding's calling out of the Sabbateans, pretty much any Doomer Cult will have someone(s) in it that think "Hey... what if we ....." and it's off to the races on trying to destroy the planet.
The Iranian leadership, for example, seems to believe that a war might cause the Hidden Imam to return (which will then result in the triggering of their version of Ragnarok and is very similar to what is in The Book of Revelations). I would not be surprised to find that some Jooz want to trigger the same. And would equally not be surprised to find that some of these Babylonians who seem to run our planet might want to do the same to get Enki/Enlil/Amon-Ra to return or some other such bullsh!t.
Having Death Cultists run our planet... not the best of ideas.
That us; based on claiming ownership over that which nature offers free for all. Parasitism by choice; endlessly justified by ignorance; causing the few, who exploit the ignorant many, to maintain and exploit their self destructive behavior.
Where you're off is that we believe is our job to destroy; instead we selfishly believe that the destruction we're causing by working and sustaining the beast system (designed to maintain us with suggested temptations) represents (((progress))) towards something good.
The problem is the choice of ignorance towards self sustenance, whcih corrupts us to restrict our comprehension of reality with self imposed beliefs; suggested to us by (((others))).
When ONE consents by free will of choice to an offer (suggestion) by the free will of choice of another; then ONE ignores ONEs own free will (the sole authority over self) for the false authority of the free will of another.
ONE cannot function within ALL without the sole authority over self; needed for balance within motion. The natural cause requires ONEs authority over self; ONEs responsibility over self within ALL. We shirk it; others use suggestion to tempt us to keep shirking it, while farming our ignored potential; our power; our energy, hence us building the systems of self destruction by ourselves, while believing to be the good guys.
No need for that, since temptation (want), set into motion, exponentially corrupts creation...those who want; want always more. If anything they use slow boiling of comprehension (using fear/hope) to buffer our velocity of self destruction.
Comprehension that ONE is within ALL, not under another ONE. Your existence is governed by the laws of nature, and you "need" to adhere to theses rules to sustain ONEself within ALL.
The laws of men are circumstantial to you; (((others))) "want" you to consent to them, so that you ignore your "needs" for them. Each one of your actions is defined by your free will of choice between need (adherence to self sustenance) and want (ignorance thereof).
Any justification for wants represents another action set into motion in ignorance of needs to sustain self within motion. All other lifeforms instinctively adhere to self sustenance within ALL; despite the self destructive circumstances we create. Why? Because they need to.
Need over want is demanded for ONE by ALL; it's the collective survival instinct; the motivating impulse to uphold life over death. Both the chocie to adhere and ignore are needed for the function of self sustenance, which is why there needs to be an impulse that defines the value of struggling to sustain life within the temptation of motion luring towards death.
Need over want; inspiration over information and implication (if/then) over reason (truth vs false). Comprehending these represents ONEs way out under the false authority of another and into the responsibility for the sole authority over self.
Choice builds comprehension (ONEs potential), which is why ONE cannot get comprehension from "believing" the information offered by another ONE. ONE needs to adapt to the inspiration ALL represents, which then transmutes perceived inspiration, by free will of choice, into ONEs comprehended information.
ALL represents the electric flow of information offered (as inspiration though motion), the magnetic ONEs within, need to channel by choice the electric flow offer (motion) into the magnetic sustenance (momentum) to increase ONEs potential (comprehension) within ALL potentiality.
Motion creates momentum; momentum represents the recharge aspect of self sustenance; motion represents the loss aspect of self sustenance.
Motion equals order; momentum equals chaos...chaos out of order (the none inverted version) allowing chaos to mimic order; magnetic to sustain self through channeling electric (ALL potentiality) into magnetic (ONE potential).
Motion equals creation and destruction; which represents sustenance of ALL.
Choice within momentum of motion represents sustenance of ONE within ALL.
Perfect represents the status quo of ALL potentiality; imperfect the choice based potential of each ONE. ONEs chocie of adherence to self sustenance represents improvement through comprehension; ONEs choice of ignorance thereof represents impair of improvement through self restriction of comprehension (beliefs aka the needed fiction for the ignored reality).
Within motion; the memory needs to be used like a ram (adaption to inspiration within motion); not like an external hard disk (accumulation of information).
Motion represents loss. Immortality represents electric flow-state within ALL; mortality represents magnetic sustenance of ONE; within the electric flow-state of ALL. Secrets means separate, which represents motion self segregating ALL potentiality into individual ONE potential, with ONE lacking comprehension of what ALL means.
The term "secret" was corrupted into meaning "hidden; concealed" with the intent to tempt us to want to look for it, when within the reality of motion; adherence to self sustenance is what transmutes it within ONEs mind (electric inspiration transmuted by choice into magnetic comprehension).
Mansions of the Soul by H Spencer Lewis
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Each represents ONE potential within ALL potentiality, and ALL is ONE in energy.
Motion equals order (electric flow); momentum caused within motion represents temporary chaos (magnetic sustenance). Momentum within motion represents balance.
No matter what chaotic choices we make while balancing; the flow of motion will always reestablish balance, because the outside (electric) defines the barriers for the inside (magnetic).
What represents the highest value in ALL existence? ONEs temporary choice to evaluate ALL? There's no higher value than evaluation...existence as ONE within ALL is the reward, and the obligation/responsibility to sustain it, which would make it even better.
IMAG'INE, verb transitive [Latin imaginor, from imago, image.] - "to form an idea in the mind"
IDE'A, noun [Latin idea; Gr. to see, Latin video.] - "that which is comprehended"
The source of what ONE comprehends is ALL perceived, so the imaginable represents ALL potentiality ONEs potential hasn't comprehended yet. Unimaginable simply represents ONEs choice of ignorance towards ALL.