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posted 4 years ago by RightSideFunding 4 years ago by RightSideFunding +12 / -1
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– Mad_King_Kalak 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

That still doesn't mean that your individual existence isn't real, just that your perceptions of it may not be what objective reality is, not that anybody truly knows objective reality, do they?

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– Graphenium 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

That’s my point, if “objective reality” is unknowable to us, which by all indications it is, “I think, therefore I am” is inherently flawed (imo)

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– Mad_King_Kalak 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

You're being to much of a materialist. We get our data for the external world through our senses. However, what if we had through our minds and reason the structures laid down (before even being exposed to the external world) to sort and aggregate the data our senses give us of external reality?

Our mind give us the capacity to take the data incoming from the external world and not leave it like a pile of note cards on the floor. Inherent reasoning powers take that data and organize it into piles of like data, and later into systems of data, and ultimately beliefs. We test these beliefs and if they keep proving to happen again and again (the sun rises in the east and sets in the west).

Objective reality was, and always will be unknowable because nobody has all knowledge. Right now, do you know how many hairs are on your head, or how many frogs are in Ohio? No. Therefore objective reality is unknowable. That it's unknowable, however, doesn't prelude that it's there, but unable to be measured as we don't have the resources to measure it and it's always in flux.

We are ultimately all limited by the fact (there's that materialism we can't avoid) that the universe as we perceive it is one of causality and the direction of time.

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– Graphenium 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

However, what if we had ...

Truthfully, that’s a nice supposition, and one I might agree with in another context, but here I’ll play D.A. and suggest that until your notion gets evidence and a mechanistic explanation behind it (im partial to Sheldrake’s “morphic resonance” theory but I won’t argue both sides in this comment lol), there’s no reason to dream up something more than what we are, which is animals stuck on the “wrong” side of the veil (wrong only in that objective reality is imperceptible forever and always on this side)

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